So What? AI for Business Continuity Planning

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In this episode of So What? The Trust Insights weekly livestream, you’ll learn how you can use AI for business continuity planning. You’ll discover how to prepare for diverse scenarios, from everyday disruptions to major events, ensuring your business’s stability. You’ll uncover the essential elements of a robust business continuity plan and learn practical steps for implementation. Plus, you’ll learn how to use AI models to create these plans quickly and easily.

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In this episode you’ll learn:

• Knowledge to prepare for business continuity planning and scenario planning
• How to use advanced AI reasoning models to do business continuity planning
• When you should and shouldn’t use AI for business continuity planning

Transcript:

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Katie Robbert: 00:00
Well, hey everyone! Happy Thursday! I can’t believe it’s Thursday again already. Welcome to So What? The Marketing Analytics and Insights live show. I’m Katie, joined by Chris and John. Howdy, fellas! Oh, they got it—first try! Amazing.

Christopher Penn: 00:51
I’ve learned with John—I have to go. Basically, there’s a spot on my screen now—just stick my hand towards that spot.

Katie Robbert: 00:59
There’s very—something very Pavlovian about that. Anyway, this week we’re talking about AI for business continuity planning. Chris and I have talked a lot about scenario planning. Internally, we’ve talked about what happens if, for whatever reason, one of us can’t perform our duties—God forbid. We want to go on vacation and actually be disconnected. What does that look like? I was having a conversation with some friends, and they were saying, as solopreneurs or very small shops, they don’t even think about that. It’s like, I do the thing, and then that’s it. If I’m not around, it doesn’t get done. That’s just not sustainable. When you get into larger companies, a lot of times there are whole risk assessment teams putting this documentation together.

Katie Robbert: 01:50
But is there a better way? Today we’re going to answer that question. Chris, where would you like to start for AI for business continuity planning?

Christopher Penn: 01:58
Okay, well, let’s start with this. I’ve built out five scenarios. Three are macro scenarios—meaning big things are happening, and we should build some plans for those. And we have two micro scenarios—things happening locally, like I get hit by a bus, or something like that, which isn’t a big picture thing but still impacts business operations. I want to be sensitive to the fact that a lot of people are feeling—as you wrote in this week’s newsletter, Katie—overwhelmed with things. If you’re in that emotional state, maybe just catch the replay of the show so you can fast-forward past some parts. So, with that in mind, first, we want to talk about what we could use to do this.

Christopher Penn: 02:36
There’s a whole family of AI models—and this is where we get into the joy—of 1.39 million different AI models. The family we’re talking about today is called reasoning models. These models do a lot of thinking. As we discussed on the podcast this past week—which you can catch at TrustInsights.ai—TI podcast, reasoning models essentially do a lot of the thinking for you. You don’t have to say, let’s do this step by step. Let’s take a step back and think about or keep a scorecard of how you should think about this. The models do that themselves. For today’s show, the two models most people probably have access to are ChatGPT. The 01 model is one of the two you could use for this, or Google Gemini.

Christopher Penn: 03:31
This is a mouthful—2.0 flash thinking experimental those.

Katie Robbert: 03:35
I love when devs name things by the way.

Christopher Penn: 03:40
Yeah, exactly. If you’re using a self-hosted version of DeepSeq, that would be a good choice. But please make sure it’s the self-hosted version—not the web service or the app—because none of your data in that version is private.

Katie Robbert: 03:58
Before we go too far, John, what do you think is included for business continuity for Marketing Over Coffee?

John Wall: 04:08
Oh yeah. I’m like the poster child for business continuity failure. My basic plan is always like, how do we get to lunch? It’s definitely the kind of thing where your organization needs to be to a point where you have to have this to survive if something goes wrong. But below a certain point, you just have to accept that, okay, there’s one key player, and you know, if that key player is out, it’s going to be down, and that’s just the way it is. There’s no other way around that. And yeah, Marketing Over Coffee—I did a while. It’s a strong brand and has been around forever. It is still a small business.

Christopher Penn: 04:46
A lot of ways.

Katie Robbert: 04:50
All right, Chris, where do we go next?

Christopher Penn: 04:52
Next, Nissan. Plus the ingredients we need to do this—you’re going to need a few different things. Number one, we’ve talked about this in many episodes—the past are the knowledge blocks. You need to have this written out about who your company is, what you do, who the key players are. Those are important pieces of information to have in advance. If you don’t have that, now is a great time to put that together. That’s one of three knowledge blocks you need to take some time to work out everything you do for business. Number two, you need some of your finances. This is a very sanitized list, hence the name.

Katie Robbert: 05:38
Thank you.

Christopher Penn: 05:41
Just in our case, the percentages of revenue we get from different clients and things like that—not the actual numbers nor the client names. However, if you’re using a protected system—meaning that, for example, in ChatGPT, you’ve turned training off; if you’re using Google Gemini, using the paid version within Workspace, not the personal version using R1, it is your self-hosted version—you would want to have this because you want to know what your operational risk portfolio looks like even before getting into the actual scenario planning. This alone is a good thing to have to say, like, are we too dependent on one category, one industry, one client?

Christopher Penn: 06:21
We’ve had cases in years past where we’ve seen agencies that have, like, a flagship client that’s 70% of their revenue, and when that client goes away, the company’s in a lot of trouble. And then the third ingredient is anything you have documented about your operations—how do you do what you do? I have a lot of our marketing written out. You would want to have documentation across the company. How do your operations? How do your standard operating procedures? We were talking before the show about building standard operating procedures. If you have a handbook—John has the Trust Insights sales playbook of how sales works at the company—you want to have all those things gathered up and current to be able to do this kind of scenario planning.

Christopher Penn: 07:08
Because if you don’t have it, you’re going to have blind spots.

Katie Robbert: 07:11
It makes sense. I’m assuming, Chris, that you used generative AI to put these knowledge blocks together. You didn’t just sit there and just write from memory.

Christopher Penn: 07:24
Believe it or not, I didn’t write it. I did while I was on the treadmill the other day. This document’s a little older. When I’m on the treadmill or the elliptical, I have my phone, I have voicemails on, and I just phone with my mouth. Like, oh, we do this. Oh yeah, for events, we do this. And I’ve read, oh, that one time we did this. It’s a stream of thought. It’s messy, but when you hand it to a generative AI tool, you say, hey, could you clean this up? This would be a good thing to do. And it does. It comes up with a coherent version of all the rambling that you make. It’s a great way to multitask. If you’re on the treadmill, you just do the thing, and there you go.

Christopher Penn: 08:07
The next thing we’re going to need is scenarios. We need to decide what we want to plan for. I have some pre-written, but I want to hear from both of you what scenarios are on your minds that we might want to think about. I’ll show you one right away because I think it’s pretty obvious. Scenario 4—the bus problem. Trust Insights has a team of four, and each person’s role is essential to the smooth operation of the company as a whole. Katie provides leadership, strategy, management, finance, and operations. Chris provides data science, AI code data and client support execution. John provides sales, business development, client upselling. Kelsey provides operations support, sales support and client services support, including account management.

Christopher Penn: 08:48
In this scenario, assume Katie gets hit by a bus—oh, bye guys—and is out of commission for two months. During those two months, she’s fully unconscious for the first month.

Katie Robbert: 08:59
That sounds lovely. No, take that back. Karma, knock on wood. But this is the scenario that companies should have some kind of a plan for. It doesn’t have to be hugely detailed. It could be as simple as, okay, I’m out of commission; I’m putting Chris in charge. What does Chris need to know to do the bare minimum of things, to keep the trains moving forward? What can wait? That kind of stuff. This would be my first scenario that I’d always go to—people. The second scenario I go to is platform.

Katie Robbert: 09:45
That’s the second thing I think about because if we, as a company, become overly reliant on any one platform—and for us, perhaps it’s our CRM, perhaps it’s our email marketing system, perhaps it’s a version of generative AI—what happens if and when that particular software is out of our price range, no longer does what we need it to? We’ve talked about this on a different live stream, but that would be the scenario I would go to next. John?

John Wall: 10:21
It’s funny when you throw that out because there are different ways to think about it—do you think about all the different systems, the approach you take, or is it a matter of do you line up people to put it together? I’d fall back to the 5P Framework. That’s the right move because it at least gives you somewhere to start, and later on, you can pick at it and see what you’ve missed. But at least it gives you somewhere to get going.

Katie Robbert: 10:51
Another scenario—hopefully it doesn’t happen—is our accounts are hacked, and all our money is taken, or we go bankrupt. A financial scenario of no longer having the funds to keep things moving forward.

Christopher Penn: 11:21
We have a scenario like that—the macro level set aside.

Katie Robbert: 11:25
But yeah, those would be the ones I’d focus on personally.

Christopher Penn: 11:28
The next thing we need is a prompt. The prompt structure we want to use is from the Trust Insights PRISM framework. The reason is because we’re using reasoning models. You can get a copy at TrustInsights.ai/PRISM. A PRISM prompt has three big pieces—what is the problem you’re dealing with? What is the relevant information? What are the success measures? How does the model know that it did the job? We’ve got the scenarios written in a separate part of the document. We start with the problem; the scenarios will be included here—the relevant information.

Christopher Penn: 12:16
How do we define impact? Impact is people; impact is financial; impact is operational. The scenario. What are the direct and indirect impacts of this thing? We want to produce four different scenarios. Katie, this is one of your favorites—what is business as usual? What if it gets a little bit worse? What if it gets a lot worse? What if it gets a lot better? Planning through that. And then we have by team, what should our teams be doing in this plan? What should business development and sales do? What marketing and client services and operations? In our plans, we should have things like timelines and deliverables, action items, user stories. And of course, we should use the Trust Insights 5P Framework.

Katie Robbert: 13:01
Yes, we should.

Christopher Penn: 13:03
Yes, we should. So, all that is the relevant information—the background information that a reasoning model would need to know to do its job. The next step is how we want you to produce the results. It should outline the impacts first so we can understand what’s going on. Then, plan A, plan B, plan C, plan D, and stuff like that. Do you want to start with a macro or a micro, Katie?

Katie Robbert: 13:29
Let’s start with—since it’s our favorite—the hit by a bus scenario.

Christopher Penn: 13:36
All right, let’s go ahead. Do you have a preference for which model family you’d like to use—Gemini or ChatGPT?

Katie Robbert: 13:43
That’s not a question for me; I consider myself hit by the bus already.

Christopher Penn: 13:54
Let’s do a little bake-off and see who does best with each. There’s our scenario. Then, we’re going to dump our prompt in, and then we’re going to upload our—where did they go? I had those PDFs here earlier.

Katie Robbert: 14:26
Scenario 7—someone who isn’t Chris has to navigate his computer.

Christopher Penn: 14:31
I don’t know why ChatGPT can’t see. Oh, that’s right—01 can’t process PDFs.

Katie Robbert: 14:40
All right, well, I guess that ends there and ends the bake-off. The oven is off.

Christopher Penn: 14:47
Oh, one, you disappoint me. Well, let’s put these pieces in and then bring in our PDFs. We’re using Gemini flash thinking experimental. Let’s begin with scenario four, and scenario four is the bus problem, which is what we’ve named it.

Katie Robbert: 15:17
If it doesn’t immediately return with, “Oh no, I hope she’s okay,” then I’m going to be very disappointed.

Christopher Penn: 15:26
The reason we use reasoning models is that it essentially, behind the scenes, is first thinking through and trying to work out its details—trying to think aloud by itself before it spits out its results. That’s what a thinking model does. It can take quite some time to come up with a result. Scenario four—the bus problem. Katie’s out for two months. Impact: Direct impacts: leadership vacuum—the CEO level. Increased burden and stress on Chris, John, and Kelsey to cover Katie’s wide range of responsibilities. Potential team anxiety and uncertainty about direction. Potential slowdown. Strategic decision-making which could impact long-term financial planning. Operational inefficiencies. No immediate direct financial loss unless operations significantly falter. Those are all the direct impacts on us.

Christopher Penn: 16:20
Indirect: team morale could decline if transition is poorly managed or workload is unsustainable. Risk of burnout. Longer-term financial impact: loss of new business. Sales efforts are negatively impacted by operational disruptions. Operationally, we need to redistribute tasks and responsibilities. Direct impact for clients: clients might be unaware of internal changes. The service delivery remains consistent. If the quality declines, communications falters, clients could be impacted. Project timelines: possible delays in deliverables. Indirect damage to Trust Insights’ reputation could indirectly affect client confidence and willingness to recommend us to others. So, with that, we go into the plan. Plan A—business as usual. Katie just leaves for two months because of being hit by a bus, and things just keep chugging along. Chris takes on CEO responsibilities, delegates Katie’s other tasks among John and Kelsey based on their strengths.

Christopher Penn: 17:16
I don’t know if that’s such a good idea.

Katie Robbert: 17:21
Well, I guess—I don’t know. I guess I gotta look both ways right now.

Christopher Penn: 17:26
Yeah. Team actions per team: Business development/Sales team: John, as the sales team, we need to continue our sales efforts without interruption to maintain revenue generation, pipeline growth, your usual deliverables. As the marketing team, we need to ensure all scheduled marketing activities continue to maintain brand presence and lead generation. Client services: We need to deliver all client projects on time to the expected quality to ensure client satisfaction. As the finance and operations seem, we need to smooth it. Financial operational functions to support the business without disruptions. That’s no impact. Moderate impact: minimize the disruption to core business functions; prioritize critical tasks. I guess because I’m the co-founder. Clearly defined temporary roles and responsibilities. Critical prioritization. CEO stand-in channels. Project—you know—tracking project delays.

Christopher Penn: 18:17
We need to manage client expectations and adjust sales timelines if necessary, focusing on maintaining key client relationships and pipelines—not just saying yes to all sorts of things. Focusing on essential marketing activities. Actively communicating with clients about minor delays and managing project timelines and then ensuring financial stability and operational continuity with some minor adjustments. Plan C—everything goes to hell in a handbasket. Contain damage and prevent total business collapse. Stabilize operations. Retain as many clients as team members as possible during the crisis. Chris struggling to lead under pressure—that’s accurate.

Katie Robbert: 18:55
All right, so we should plan for Plan C. Got it.

Christopher Penn: 19:01
And a stressed team. Consider bringing in an external consultant for crisis management guidance if feasible. That’s a reasonable thing to do in emergency decision-making processes. Chris becomes the primary decision-maker for urgent matters. Establish crisis communication channels. Minimize client attrition rate—that is the top priority—keep the clients, keep the business operating. Shift focus to client retention and damage control. Pause new sales efforts and address immediate client concerns. Communicate transparently about operational challenges. Maintain essential communications. Communicate proactively and honestly with clients about project delays. That’s what happens if the wheels come off the bus.

Katie Robbert: 19:42
Okay.

Christopher Penn: 19:43
And then D—best-case scenario; everything improves. Katie’s like, “I’m on vacation after this.”

Katie Robbert: 19:49
Yeah, I’m out. You guys don’t turn the…

Christopher Penn: 19:54
A challenging situation into an opportunity for team growth. Process improvement. Enhanced client relationships. Empower the team and demonstrate resilience. Chris, John, Kelsey, and an empowered team recognized reward team members for stepping up and taking ownership. Delegate decision-making effectively, empowering John and Kelsey in their respective domains. Utilize collaboration tools to share decision-making and process documentation. Enhance use of dashboards, knowledge base recognition and reward; then measure and demonstrate improved team efficiency. Use stories: As a sales team, we need to leverage the team’s resilience and adaptability as a selling point, showcasing the company’s robust and dependable nature to clients and prospects.

Christopher Penn: 20:30
The marketing teams create content that showcases the team’s strength and adaptability, building a positive narrative around the company’s resilience. Client services: We need to exceed client expectations through proactive communication, project delivery, and showcasing enhanced capabilities and ownership. Financial Support: Team empowerment initiatives. Document and codify process improvements and ensure smooth operations to facilitate a period of positive growth and adaptation.

Katie Robbert: 20:55
Honestly, that sounds lovely. I’m going to step back and just let that happen.

John Wall: 21:00
Yeah, right. The fact that we’d be doing more dashboarding and process if Katie got hit by a bus—that’s the greatest hallucination I’ve seen this week.

Katie Robbert: 21:13
I find this really interesting, but—I don’t. Let me not jump ahead because I do have a big question.

Christopher Penn: 21:23
This is the time for that.

Katie Robbert: 21:24
Okay, well, I didn’t know if I was going to get ahead of what was next. But what I’m missing from this business continuity planning is that it’s outlining the scenarios, but it’s not telling me—it’s not giving me a list of things that I need to put together in the event of one of these things. You see what I’m saying? So, where some of this came about was I was thinking about something—I’m like, what business continuity plan do I need to put together? It’s a checklist of like, here’s where all my passwords live, or here’s my criteria for decision-making on scopes of work, or here’s my process for running the weekly team meeting. Whatever it is—that’s what’s missing from this because this outlines the scenarios and what could happen.

Katie Robbert: 22:15
So what do I need to do today to prepare in the event that something like this happens?

Christopher Penn: 22:22
Let’s ask it. We’re going to say, build a checklist of the required materials, data, knowledge, and operational procedures to manage. Let’s start with Plan B—the moderate impact one—and let’s see what it comes up with. Show this by person for what each person will need to stand in for Katie while she’s out of the office. Let’s just see what it comes up with in terms of a useful, usable thing. Again, remember—we didn’t upload all of our SOPs and things, so we’re working with a slimmed-down list.

Katie Robbert: 23:03
It’s interesting that you said what you positioned it as this thing is happening, what do people need to do versus the way that I would look at it as more proactive—what needs to be done now ahead of this happening in case we never need to use it.

Christopher Penn: 23:22
Okay, so let’s see: materials, strategic plan document, KPI dashboard, strategic initiatives, Katie’s notes and upcoming strategic priorities data up to date; financial performance reports, current sales pipeline, important current metrics, CSAT NPS data; three- and five-year strategic goals. Responsibility: urgent decision-making; high-level oversight; emergency contact list for key personnel and external advisors; pre-approved templates for urgent communications; real-time product dashboards; financial oversight; access to the financial management system; list of key financial contacts. John, the same thing—the systems he’s going to need access to. Additional training on parts of the CRM, client escalation procedures, client communication protocols, and Kelsey, same thing. Here’s the case.

Christopher Penn: 24:20
Kelsey is going to need things like the SLAs or the MSA—contract details, all that stuff.

Katie Robbert: 24:25
Okay. That’s more helpful—it’s helpful to see the scenarios of, you know, if worst-case scenarios, what’s going to happen. My next question is then, okay, what do I need to prepare and have basically in my file folder that lives on my desk that says, “In case of me getting hit by a bus, read this.” And then you open it, it’s like, okay, here’s everything.

Christopher Penn: 24:50
Yep. So that’s what this effectively is. This is the laundry list of stuff that could be in that folder. Yeah. All right, so that’s micro scenario number one, which is the bus problem. Okay, what do you want to tackle next?

Katie Robbert: 25:05
Well then let’s try a macro scenario. You said you had a scenario outlined for financial instability. So since that was one of the ones I flagged, let’s go ahead and do that.

Christopher Penn: 25:16
All right, let’s do this.

Katie Robbert: 25:17
I’m not looking forward to it, but let’s do it.

Christopher Penn: 25:23
This is going to be scenario one—the Tariff Showdown. The United States government has implemented tariffs for 25% of goods, and so forth. Retaliatory tariffs are in place; they affect a wide variety of imported and exported goods. Here’s the scenario, and we’re going to follow the exact same prompts. The rest of the prompt structure is going to remain the same. We’ve started a new block here; we’re going to put in our same knowledge blocks and we’re going to let it do its thing. The model is currently thinking behind the scenes, which always looks like fun. All right. Direct for Trust Insights: minimal impact on employee lives initially. Potential for increased anxiety and uncertainty; of course, no immediate direct cost increase. Trust Insights as a service-based business doesn’t directly import or export goods.

Christopher Penn: 26:23
Potential indirect financial impact via client revenue changes. Operational: no immediate direction operational changes. Potential for increased client inquiries about economic impacts and requests for relevant data analysis. That’s interesting to me because that’s one of those things that stands out. Should we do that proactively for our most valued clients? Like, hey, here’s how this might play out.

Katie Robbert: 26:45
That’s definitely something we can put on our backlog of things to think about and then bring up in client meetings. Because again, if we’re thinking about potential things that could happen, this would fall into their scenario planning, and us, as their data partners, should be providing that information so that they can get ahead of one of their own ABCD scenarios.

Christopher Penn: 27:10
Exactly. Indirect impact: increased workload for client services and sales teams to address client concerns and potentially changing client needs. Employee stress. Potential decrease in client budgets and retainer revenue. That’s a very realistic thing. Clients in heavily affected industries might reduce marketing spend. Potential increase in demand for services that help clients navigate economic uncertainty. Market analysis: forecast cost optimization. Data-driven strategy adjustments. Operational: adapting service offerings and shifting project focus toward cost optimization. Supply chain analysis—if clients ask for that. Direct impact: job insecurity. Increased consumer prices for B2C companies. Increased costs for anything in those supply chains. Indirect, of course—consumer confidence would slow down consumer spending, and that would have impacts. So the five Ps and in Plan A—little to no impact; it’s business as usual across the board; just keeping things running.

Christopher Penn: 28:09
Having a good content calendar that maybe speaks to some of this stuff—just to let people know we’re on the ball. Moderate impact: moderate economic uncertainty. Navigate potential challenges. Adjust marketing/sales messages to address economic uncertainty for sales. Proactively reach out to clients and prospects to understand the concerns and position us as a partner to help them navigate economic uncertainty, so we maintain or potentially grow our sales pipeline despite the changing climate. Marketing: creating more content about that stuff. How data analytics can help mitigate risks and identify opportunities. Client services: engage with existing clients, help them optimize their strategies, so we reinforce client relationships. Then, finance operations: monitor key financial indicators and client payment patterns to closely identify any early signs of financial stress due to tariffs and adjust financial forecasting accordingly. Plan C:

Christopher Penn: 29:05
You know, the wheels come off the bus. Significant economic downturn. Focus on cost containment, client retention, service delivery. Aggressively market services relevant to cost optimization. As a sales team member, I want to focus on retaining existing key clients and target recession-resistant industries with services focused on efficiency. Marketing: gift content, focus topics relevant to that. Client services: provide prioritize excellent service for key clients; be flexible and adaptable to changing needs; adjusted service packages and pricing/payment terms to retain critical accounts. Then, finance: strict cost-control measures; manage cash flow tightly.

Christopher Penn: 29:57
I’m not sure how much we could manage it.

Katie Robbert: 29:59
My knuckles are so white because of how tightly I manage our finances, but I’m okay with that. I already operate as if today is going to be a worst-case scenario.

Christopher Penn: 30:16
Yeah. Yeah, you.

Katie Robbert: 30:18
I don’t know if that’s a good thing or not, but that is how I operate.

Christopher Penn: 30:23
Exactly. And then Plan D—things get better. Capitalize on increased demand for data-driven insights in a volatile economic environment. Position Trust Insights as the go-to partner for navigating complexity and identifying new opportunities arising from economic shifts. Changing our sales messaging to emphasize value proposition, targeted outreach campaigns for data-driven adaptation. Those recommendations are pretty much the same now as we did earlier. We’re going to ask—give me the required checklist of things. Show me these checklists by person. We’re going to ask it the exact same thing—what are the nuts and bolts that we’re going to need? Thankfully, no one’s in the hospital this time.

Katie Robbert: 31:13
Nope.

Christopher Penn: 31:15
Updated sales presentations, client crisis sales messaging documents. I went with worst-case scenario on this one. Recession-resistant target sectors documented and shared list of key clients. CRM data segmented by industry to identify those sectors. Client revenue, profitability data—just general knowledge. Operational procedures for what we need to do. We have marketing team membership, revised content calendar, web analytics dashboard configured to track traffic and engagement on recession-related content. Client services: list of key clients, project adjustment request forms. Revised budget templates, worst-case scenarios, revenue scenarios. That’s a decent list. You pull this plan off the shelf and say, all right, here we go.

Katie Robbert: 32:08
Can it give me a list of tasks to do in general? We don’t know which scenario is likely to happen. Can I get a baseline of things that I should have ready? I likely already have all of those things, but what am I missing? If we had more time, I could give you all of that in a knowledge block. But I’m curious to see if it’s going to say, “Oh, you need to have the following three things, and then you’re good.”

Christopher Penn: 32:42
Let’s see. Well, ask it for the foundation tasks and materials: universal materials and documentation; company directory and contact info; emergency communication plan; IT disaster recovery plan; financial contingency plan; client communication guidelines; standard operating procedures for core services; data access and security protocols; the 5P Framework; real-time financial dashboards; CRM—centralized CRM, which we do have; project management system, which we do have; employee skills and responsibilities matrix; vendor and partner information database; cross-training across key roles; familiarity with the plan; remote working collaboration; understanding of core services offerings and value proposition; regular data backup system maintenance procedures; review and tests of disaster recovery; annual business continuity plan review and update.

Christopher Penn: 33:58
Regular team meetings, financial monitoring, client feedback. Those would be the things that would be foundation materials, which totally makes sense.

Katie Robbert: 34:07
You have all those foundational materials, and then you wake up, boom—one of those scenarios happens. You just mix and match and put them together. Like, okay, this scenario happened—what the heck do I do?

Christopher Penn: 34:19
Exactly. It’s like a football coach’s playbook. Okay, this is happening—go to this play, or an airline pilot: you say this is happening, open up the quick reference handbook, go to page 72 and follow the checklist.

Katie Robbert: 34:35
I don’t think you should be allowed to give sports references anymore.

John Wall: 34:38
Probably not being like, “Oh, fire coming out of the engine.”

Christopher Penn: 34:43
What page?

Katie Robbert: 34:44
Yeah, is that under fire or engine? Oh, goodness. Okay, so let’s do another one of your micro scenarios. I’m curious. I’m nervous, but I’m curious. All right, one’s out of the way.

Christopher Penn: 35:10
The micro scenario is scenario five. We’re calling it Spider-Man, Far From Home. In this scenario, Chris travels frequently all over the world, speaking at conferences, events. There’s an immigration snafu, and Chris is not permitted to re-enter the United States; he has to remain in Canada.

Katie Robbert: 35:32
Bye, Chris.

Christopher Penn: 35:33
Bye. But I’m not dead or unconscious. I’m just…

Katie Robbert: 35:39
If you have your laptop, you’re good. I don’t know why we’re talking about it.

John Wall: 35:43
So wait, this is where Katie and I get a ragtag team of mercenaries in a van, head into Canada. This sounds like a fantastic movie.

Katie Robbert: 35:57
We need a different kind of skills matrix. That’s for another show.

Christopher Penn: 36:03
That really is. Oh, my goodness.

Katie Robbert: 36:07
Although, I do think a future episode could be: How do you put together a skills matrix? Okay, I’ll write that down.

Christopher Penn: 36:16
All right, so we have our scenario five. Chris is directly impacted by being unable to return from home, causing personal stress and displacement. Katie, John, Kel need to adjust workflows, take on responsibilities to cover for Chris’s physical absence. Potential disruption of project timelines, cancellation of speaking engagements resulting in direct revenue loss. Inability for Chris to perform core duties could impact client satisfaction. Indirect: team morale might decrease if workload increases; potential for burnout, and so on. I’m in Canada; I’m not in the middle of the ocean.

John Wall: 36:48
There’s no phone in Canada.

Christopher Penn: 36:49
Exactly. Canada has the Internet, so we have business as usual. Maintain normal business operations; the immigration issues resolve quickly. Adapting workflows and communication strategies to maintain service delivery, proactively communicating delays, rescheduling, or converting to virtual any affected speaking engagements. Project-related tasks can be handled remotely; monitor project progress, billable hours, and potential revenue impacts due to delays. Worst-case scenario: Chris never comes home—he’s stuck in Canada forever. Emergency project triage, transparent communication, cancel or postpone speaking engagements, or rearrange flights, assess project criticality, communicate significant delays, and so on. Base case scenario: we base ourselves out of Canada.

John Wall: 37:58
I guess Chris’s poutine consumption increases.

Christopher Penn: 38:02
Exactly.

Katie Robbert: 38:03
That’s interesting. You’re stuck in Canada, but your prompt didn’t say that. I also have my laptop and Internet. You can type things. You still have to do some like business continuity planning because it’s not going to be seamless, but it’s not like me being unconscious for an entire month and unable to do anything. You at least can type things.

Christopher Penn: 38:31
Exactly. And the nice thing about the framework is that that would fall into the relevant information—like, here’s how the company is set up to understand—like, yeah, we’re a virtual company to begin with, so we didn’t specify our operations in the relevant information section.

Katie Robbert: 38:51
All right, you’re not getting out of it. You have to have a to-do list as well.

Christopher Penn: 38:55
All right, let’s see what Chris has to have for a to-do list to manage Plan C—where Chris is stuck in Canada for an extended period of time. Show the tasks and checklists per Trust Insights. Let’s put that in.

John Wall: 39:19
While you’re prompting, shout out from YouTube that poutine rules—putting that out there.

Christopher Penn: 39:24
It is delicious, especially in Montreal. This place has teriyaki poutine—it’s amazing. All right. Requires requested materials, data, knowledge, operational procedures for Katie crisis communications plans, financial contingency plans, legal counsel information, current financial statuses.

Katie Robbert: 39:48
Put that lower on my list; I’m not working to get you out. You can stay for a bit.

John Wall: 39:53
I’m picturing this: client communication—Chris trapped in Canada.

Christopher Penn: 39:58
Exactly.

Katie Robbert: 40:00
I want to know, Chris, what you have to do.

Christopher Penn: 40:03
Reliable internet connection, secure VPN to our systems, necessary hardware and software for our data for our work. Access to all relevant project files, updated contact information—where you know what hotel I’m stuck in. Project dependencies, backup of data and code, client project data access, detailed knowledge, all active projects, remote work limitations, time zone differences—because where I’m going this weekend is two hours off. Consistent communication schedule, prioritization of projects, document progress, regularly identify tasks, maintain personal well-being, have a healthy work/remote work routine, and continuously explore operations return to the US.

Katie Robbert: 40:45
This is a checklist of if it does happen. I need to know what you need to do ahead of time. That’s the checklist I’m looking for. Okay, like what’s the homework you’re supposed to take away to go into your business continuity plan? Companies get business continuity planning wrong—they’re planning for what could happen and what you do if it happens, but then they forget there’s a stage before that where you actually have to put things together so that if one of those scenarios happens, you can then execute the plan. That piece often gets missed. It’s wonderful to think that I might be unconscious for a month and just sort of live in my life and dreamland.

Katie Robbert: 41:36
What information do I need to have ready? Same for you, Chris—in the event that you are detained somewhere, what information do you have to have ahead of time?

Christopher Penn: 41:46
Yep. So for me, ahead of time: proactive knowledge transfer, key data knowledge-sharing sessions, creating training materials, mentorship and skill development, standardized data science processes and workflows, document and standardize all key data science processes. Create templates and reusable code snippets for common tests, version control, project documentation, standards. Create a runbook for critical projects—essentially how things work. Do everything cloud-based so that people have access to it. Test regularly—test your remote access tools, project dashboard, and so on. Those would be the things on my list of things to do to prevent or mitigate the impacts of something like this happening.

Katie Robbert: 42:31
We’re gonna go ahead, Chris.

John Wall: 42:32
I’m dying with the scenario still. My list has to have “get 18 van” on it.

Christopher Penn: 42:38
You know.

Katie Robbert: 42:41
Get the Trust Insights Mobile.

John Wall: 42:43
Right. We have Snake Plissken on speed dial.

Christopher Penn: 42:47
But in fairness, one of the things for John is diversify revenue streams and client base so that we’re not stuck in one thing, dependent too heavily on one person. There’s a lot of stuff in here for this planning. We could obviously continue to ask questions of these scenarios over and over again.

Katie Robbert: 43:07
I think this is helpful because there’s nothing on here that I’m like, “Whoa, we haven’t been thinking about that at all.” We are doing a lot of these things already because I live in that perpetual world of worst-case scenario. I think it’s because I worked in such a regulated industry that I’ve been through all of these trainings before, and I know what it looks like when a critical person steps away and everything comes to a screeching halt. I want to prevent that in our company, but I also want to help our clients prevent against it. We actually saw this happen with one of our clients.

Katie Robbert: 43:42
Their analytics person stepped away, and everything kind of came to a screeching halt because the way in which he had designed his role, he was the gatekeeper in a black box of everything. When that person was no longer in the situation, it took a lot of time to untangle things versus leading with transparency and process and documentation so that somebody could step in and eventually get back up to speed. That’s really the goal because depending on where you work, they might say that you’re part of the family—it’s the culture. Humans are replaceable. Chris and I are replaceable. John—not so much; John’s a unicorn; you can’t replace him. But Chris and I could be out of here tomorrow, and we need to make sure that there are plans in place.

Katie Robbert: 44:35
If something happens and we can’t perform our duties, we can figure out what that looks like for the team. If one person leaves, it’s not on them—the rest of the team is the ones left holding this hellish handbasket, trying to figure out what’s in it. You want to set people up for success.

Christopher Penn: 44:57
Yep. And the smaller your organization is, the more important it is because there are fewer fallbacks. If a person at IBM gets stuck somewhere, there are 299,000 other employees that can absorb the shock of that one person leaving. When you’re a five-person company or a four-person company, the impact is much greater.

Katie Robbert: 45:18
Right. Any final thoughts, John?

John Wall: 45:22
I just can’t get over the picture of you and I driving a flaming van over the Canadian border with Chris in back—too rich.

Christopher Penn: 45:34
All right, we will see you all next time. Thanks for watching today. Be sure to subscribe to our show wherever you’re watching it. For more resources and to learn more, check out the Trust Insights podcast at TrustInsights.ai/TI podcast and our weekly email newsletter at TrustInsights.ai/newsletter. Got questions about what you saw in today’s episode? Join our free Analytics for Marketers Slack Group at TrustInsights.ai/analytics-for-marketers. See you next time.

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