In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss Tiktok marketing and social media strategy diversification after the recent TikTok incident. You’ll learn how to create content that thrives regardless of platform changes. You’ll discover strategies to build a direct, trusting connection with your audience, reducing reliance on third-party platforms. You’ll explore how to use generative AI tools to enhance content creation and distribution. You’ll gain insights into building a resilient marketing strategy that leverages both owned and rented channels. Watch this episode to build a future-proof marketing plan that isn’t at the mercy of social media giants.
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Christopher S. Penn – 00:00
In this week’s In-Ear Insights. It was there, then it was gone, now it’s back, it’s TikTok. Of course, there are so many things to talk about on this particular topic, but—and I was saying this to a friend of mine—I said, I have so much to say, but none of it is productive, none of it is helpful, none of it is going to advance the company or my personal brand and stuff. So I’m just going to sit on my hands at Nintendo, tell it to AI. I have an AI chatbot of my own that I just grouse at constantly. It’s like, I understand you’re upset, but it keeps me from saying things in public that are stupid. So. So, Katie, I’m sure you have things that you want to say in public that are not stupid.
Katie Robbert – 00:46
Well, I don’t know if they’re not stupid, but I’ll say them anyway. I think it’s fairly well known that I’m not a heavy social media user in my personal life. And so obviously being in this industry and being at this particular company, I’m well aware of what different social media platforms do, who their audiences are and the utility of them. And so, for weeks that there’s speculation that TikTok was going to be banned in the U.S. I didn’t actually see a lot of people doing anything about it because I don’t think anyone really felt like it was going to happen. So they were like, oh, well, they’re just bluffing.
Katie Robbert – 01:31
And then, lo and behold, I think it was, as we’re recording this, it was just yesterday morning, people, when they logged into or tried to log into TikTok, got various forms of messages. To be honest, mine just said no Internet connection, so I didn’t even get a fun message. But regardless, people started to panic and it was like, oh no, they actually pulled the plug on TikTok in the US and then a mere 12, 14 hours later, whatever it was quote, unquote, air quotes, big air quotes saved. And now it’s up and running again for the time being. And I’m not going to go into details of who was involved. I’m not going to give them airtime or acknowledge anything.
Katie Robbert – 02:19
But it felt like a really gross PR stunt to boost reputations and to really make people question, oh my gosh, what am I doing? I need this. And I feel like it was partly for the company to say, you really need us. You really need us. And so all of that sort of warm up to say, it’s a good opportunity to look at your own marketing strategy and say, am I too overly reliant on platforms that aren’t mine? Because you have to still create the content, but you then get to choose where that content goes. So that’s really where I want to focus. We can acknowledge that the TikTok fiasco was just that it was a fiasco. It was silly.
Katie Robbert – 03:11
But I think it’s a good opportunity for all of us to look at what we’re actually doing with our marketing and where our content goes and where.
Christopher S. Penn – 03:19
Our audience goes and where we want our audience to go. One of the things that I always keep coming back to is POP3, SMTP and IMAP. And you’re like, I know what those things are, but it sounds like words. Those are the three email protocols. POP3 is the post office protocol that allows the inbox to work. IMAP is in that messaging protocol, and then SMTP is the mail sending protocol. Those three things form a distributed network on the Internet that allows you to send an email to someone else. And through DNS and a variety of other infrastructure, email gets sent from one location to the other. It exists the way it does because it was built in the days before the commercial Internet, when the guiding principle of the Internet was disaster recovery and continuity.
Christopher S. Penn – 04:09
No one hub on the Internet would control email. Instead, everyone would set up their own email servers, and the servers would talk to each other through these agreed protocols so that if someone dropped a bomb on the Pentagon in the 1980s, email would still work. It would just route around the damage. What happened in the 2000s and 2010s was you had corporate entities like Facebook at the time and Twitter at the time that wanted to be the center, the hub, so that they could control things like ads, for example, just how they made their money. And what we’re starting to see, and I have cautious optimism about this, is protocols like Mastodon and the federated social network, where people are starting to realize, hey, email was set up really well so that no one company controls it.
Christopher S. Penn – 05:00
What if we have something similar for social media where no one company can control the system overall? Yeah, Your individual instance could be a hot mess of conspiracy theories that, birds aren’t real. They’re actually spies from the government, which is a hilarious TED Talk, by the way. But the underlying infrastructure would be shared among everyone, and the cost then would be shared among everyone too. And so I think part of what we would hope is that people would say, that’s a really good idea, let’s invest in that. But the other part, and this is something that I think dates back to, I want to say, 2005, 2006 is the old expression. Don’t build on rented land. Don’t build your house on rented land.
Katie Robbert – 05:52
We spend so much time planning and creating and editing and rewriting and generating. And we’re producing all of this content, audio content, video content, written content, live talks, webinars, reports for clients that we can then anonymize and use as case studies, all the things we’re creating, all the pieces that we need for a content marketing plan. But what we’re getting wrong is the dissemination of the content. We are too quick to rely on social networks because they’re easy to post to, and you automatically get thousands, if not millions of eyeballs on things. And so it feels like an instant gratification. You get that dopamine hit of, oh, somebody liked my thing.
Katie Robbert – 06:44
You don’t get that necessarily with email because you don’t see that instant feedback other than maybe somebody opened your email and maybe they read it, but you don’t know for sure. And so I can understand why we turn to social media first, because it’s a great awareness channel. But when those channels start to go away, we need to have those backup plans. I saw a lot of people talking yesterday about, well, let’s just bring everything over to LinkedIn. It’s the last standing channel. And as someone who sort of, and this is me, I’m an n of 1, I compartmentalize social media channels and LinkedIn is for business. I don’t want to start to see. And they already exist on LinkedIn. There’s games on LinkedIn, there’s get ready with me videos on LinkedIn, there’s regular reels that have nothing to do with business on LinkedIn.
Katie Robbert – 07:41
And so it’s starting to feel to me like another generic, unuseful social media channel. And so everyone’s starting to put their stuff there. But again, you’re spending so much time creating, why not have a sense of ownership over the content and not just give it to these other platforms? There’s other systems and here’s the challenge. There’s always going to be some level of renting that happens in your dissemination. And I think, Chris, that’s where you’re speaking about these other servers that give you a little bit more control over what it is that you’re renting.
Christopher S. Penn – 08:20
And, it is a fascinating contradiction. Don’t build on rented land and then market where the people are. So you can have your house in this lovely place, but there’s no stores nearby, there’s no hospitals nearby. you’re in the. It’s 200 miles to the nearest city. Yeah, you own that land. But if you’re trying to set up a roadside farm and no one ever drives by, obviously it’s very difficult to do that there. Extending the analogy. Yeah. You also need to be where the people are. And so part of what marketers have to figure out is what that blended strategy looks like, which is you create in places where the people are to get the eyeballs, and then you funnel the eyeballs to the owned properties that you have.
Christopher S. Penn – 09:11
So you would put up your reels and your TikToks and your previews and whatever on and your shorts on all these different platforms. And maybe there’s a video that you have to host with a third party because video hosting in particular is so onerously expensive. But then you have a website, a newsletter, a discord community or something, or even setting up your own private servers internally that helps you capture that audience and keep that audience. And. And one of the phrases I love most, I want to say it was Robert Rose that said it was reliable reach. Robert or Mitchell, one of the two, said there’s reach, which social media gets you, but then there’s reliable reach, which is when you need it. Can you reach your audience?
Katie Robbert – 10:04
I feel like it’s a good opportunity and if you want help with this, you can reach us at trustinsights AI contact to revisit your customer journey. We’ve spent quite a bit of time talking about on live streams and on workshops how to use generative AI to build your customer journey so that you understand awareness, consideration, evaluation, purchase. Start doing that scenario planning where you say, great, this is my customer journey. Now remove the following channels. What does my customer journey look like now? What do I need to do to keep my awareness metrics at the same number? But I no longer have TikTok, for example, I no longer have general social. And I think that’s a really good use of generative AI with that kind of brainstorming, because it’s going to start to puzzle out.
Katie Robbert – 11:01
Okay, now you’re telling me you only have email, you only have your blog, you only have your community. What is it? What do I now have to do. Help me put together an action plan that includes only those things. This is the kind of scenario planning you should be doing anyway for budget reasons. We talked about this at the end of last year on the podcast, where let’s say you have three scenarios. One, your budget stays the exact same. Two, you get a lot more budget, or three, the most common situation is your budget gets cut.
Katie Robbert – 11:37
You need to start making cuts in terms of where you’re putting your resources so you can approach it not as all social media is burning down, but more as I’m losing budget and resources so I no longer have the opportunity to post on social media. What does it then look like? That’s the kind of use case that you can bring to Generative AI and say, this is all of my data, let’s start taking pieces out and what does that action plan now look like? So then when things like a blackout of a major social media platform happen, you don’t need to panic. You already have a plan for what to do next.
Christopher S. Penn – 12:13
And I’m gonna channel you for a second.
Katie Robbert – 12:16
Oh boy, here we go.
Christopher S. Penn – 12:18
And say that we’re thinking about this the wrong way. Collectively, the marketing community, we’re thinking about this the wrong way. We are talking about the platform. And what do we always say? Don’t put the platform first, don’t do it first. Then do the people, then the process. Then figure out the plan platform. Because here’s the thing, what doesn’t change in the ecosystem that we’re in. If you create stuff that people actually want, people will share it. That you may not be able to measure it because it may be happening in group chats and text messages and emails and things that are invisible to you. But the people based, will share the stuff based on your process of the things that you’re creating. So if you’ve got something that people genuinely want, they will find a way to share it for you.
Christopher S. Penn – 13:12
So your focus has to be on the purpose. What is it you’re creating, why are you creating it? And most important, from the perspective of your customer and use an ideal customer profile for this. What is it that people so desperately want that they will take any means possible to share it? One of the things that I used to say, and it’s still true, is go onto a service like the Pirate Bay or any piracy website, make sure your incognito mode is on your. All your ad blockers are turned on. If your stuff isn’t being stolen, it’s not that Good. Of all the paid stuff that you create, if no one’s stealing from you, it may not be worth stealing. If you publish a book and hey, it’s on the Pirate Bay and people are saying, I got sidestep.
Christopher S. Penn – 14:01
Amazon, big corporate Amazon, steal this book, like, okay, well, at least someone’s reading it.
Katie Robbert – 14:06
But so it, it’s a twofold approach. One is being clear of your purpose and two is actually creating compelling content. And I think that, and this, without going too far off track, this is the challenge for a lot of marketers today is creating good, high quality content that people actually want. And so you mentioned the ideal customer profile. That’s absolutely where you should start in terms of trying to figure out what do people want. And you can use generative AI to do all of that research. You can pull data from existing social media platforms and other platforms. If you want help with that process, you can reach out to us at TrustInsights AI contact. We can help you build a variety of different versions of ideal customer profiles.
Katie Robbert – 14:56
But then what you do is you go back to the five P’s and you start with, my purpose is to drive awareness. My purpose is to increase sales. My purpose is, customer loyalty, whatever your purpose is. And then you start to move down the other P’s. When you get to people, that’s where you bring in the ideal customer profile and say, what do these, what is going to be the third thing that people are going to respond to? What will get them to share it? And then you know your process. Well, now we do this, we do that. And then to Chris, your point, then you figure out the platform because without really good high quality content, it doesn’t matter where you post it’s just crap.
Christopher S. Penn – 15:42
Exactly. And then on the far end here on performance, the performance isn’t TikTok views. Unless you are solely locked into that ecosystem where you’re like, okay, I have to make a certain number of views to get my ad revenue. In which case, again, you should be diversifying your business model because, having one company providing you the revenue stream, probably not great. I saw a, I saw over the weekend is a science communicator who makes videos educating people about various aspects of science. Published her revenue numbers on YouTube and then on a lesser known video site that serves the adult community and her earnings on the other one is three times what YouTube pays. And so her purpose is, her measure is of performance is money. How much revenue Did I earn that purpose?
Christopher S. Penn – 16:34
And performance was so clear that the platform may change the platform for her business. The platform is a. There’s a better choice than if we say, oh, I have to be on YouTube or have to be on TikTok. Well, there’s a lot of choices. You have to be clear about your purpose and your performance to know all the rest.
Katie Robbert – 16:55
One of the things that I would challenge creators to do moving forward in 2025 is think about what does it look like to create content that is platform agnostic and so can you create content that doesn’t rely on any one platform? And this might be a good opportunity to plug our transmedia framework, which you can find on our website, in our Instant Insights. And so creating a piece of content once and reusing it multiple different ways so that you’re not spending your time creating one piece of content for each individual platform, but you’re creating a single piece of content to be reused multiple ways, regardless of platform. Because things are going to change a lot this year. It’s just right now it’s the middle of January and things feel very unsettled.
Katie Robbert – 17:50
Come, May, June, July, I’m sure it’s going to be even more. And the last thing you want to be doing is scrambling going, I have all of this content. I don’t know where to put it. I. I don’t know where my audience is. I’m losing membership, I’m losing revenue, I’m losing eyeballs, I’m losing whatever it is. Do the work now and just assume that things are going to change. I mean, this is really a best practice regardless of what’s going on outside of your own company. Bubble is always just to be prepared that something’s going to change. We’ve talked about what happens when AI changes significantly. I think that’s, we’re already starting to see that of. Well, OpenAI has changed enough that your prompt structure has changed.
Katie Robbert – 18:39
Gemini has changed enough that the gems that you were using three months ago are now out of date. We’re seeing those things happen. We don’t pay attention because they don’t seem significant. We only pay attention when there’s a significant change. But those small little changes that actually add up, I think what is the, if you put a turtle in cold water and slowly bring it to frog, a boiling frog, whatever the amphibian is, you put the thing in the water and you slowly bring it to boil and they don’t try to run away before you Know it, they’re boiling because they’ve been getting used to it over time.
Katie Robbert – 19:17
That’s what happens with all of this technology is you’re getting dunked in a pot of cold water and you’re just sitting there waiting for it to boil over, rather than getting ahead of it and saying, what happens when this pot boils over? I need to be ready to jump out and do something else.
Christopher S. Penn – 19:35
Exactly. In the era of Generative AI as well, there is no longer an excuse for not being able to do this exact process. So for example, we used to say you would want to take your video of content and then spin it off into other pieces of content. Well, now that’s trivial. For example, last week we did two episodes on analyzing data with Generative AI. What did we do with it? Well, we converted to audio, obviously, and then that then got turned into transcripts on the website. That’s kind of the bare minimum that we could have done with that. What we could have also done is then taken the transcript and say, put it in, say NotebookLM, make me a study guide for this. Now we can publish a PDF study guide.
Christopher S. Penn – 20:24
If we, if we had an ongoing community of learning, we could put up a briefing again from NotebookLM or the AI of your choice. And here’s a briefing. We could take the transcripts of both and turn them into a miniature ebook, a 20 page book on. Here’s how you do this. Because we talked a lot last week, we talked for about two hours on the topic you speak about. You and I speak about 150 words per minute, give or take, multiply that times 120 minutes and you end up with 18,000 words. That is more than enough for half of a business book.
Christopher S. Penn – 21:02
So as you think about where your content is and how you distribute it, even the things you’re doing on channels like TikTok or whatever, you need a, a process and performance and purpose to realize there’s so much more you could do with the help of generative AI tools. For example, if you have a Slack or a Discord, you could be publishing just one pagers. Like here’s what we talked about last week on the show. This is, this is for the community. So you have this. You could turn, you could use Generative AI in our case to take all the prompts that we talked through, put them in a prompt cheat sheet and say, hey, for our paying subscribers, here’s the cheat sheet. You can drag and drop these prompts into Generative AI tool of your choice.
Christopher S. Penn – 21:50
And so every to your point, every creator needs to be thinking about how do I make things that are agnostic, how do I make things that are many pieces of content from one? And how do I have generative AI do that in a way that benefits my audience and benefits me?
Katie Robbert – 22:10
And what I don’t want to see is people get into the trap of let me just create a lot of things, throw it against the wall and see what sticks. It’s a really good, smart approach to use your ideal customer profile. And if so, if you don’t have that already outlined, then definitely start there because you’re going to learn a lot about what people do and don’t want. We did our ideal customer profile earlier last year in 2024, and it confirmed a lot of things, but it also opened our eyes to some things that we hadn’t been thinking about in terms of what keeps our customer up at night, where are they wanting to get their information? And it’s changed our approach to how we’ve created content.
Katie Robbert – 22:51
And we’re using that ideal customer profile pretty much every step of the way to gut check all of the things that we’re creating. Because if we’re spending the time and resources to create, we might as well be getting it right. So it seems almost silly at this point to not be including your ideal customer profile in every single step of your content creation.
Christopher S. Penn – 23:14
Yep. To circle around your social media platforms are kind of billboards. No one has, no one insists down to eat dinner at a billboard. They go to a diner. Very few people find their way to a diner if they don’t know that it’s there. So you can’t just have the diner alone, AKA you’re building on owned land and you can’t just have the billboard alone, AKA building on social media and platforms you don’t own. You need both. You need to have billboards that get people to the diner. And the billboards have to be appealing enough that people look at it and go, I’d like to eat there. And then find their way to the diner. As opposed to that one creepy casino billboard where there’s this guy, hovering over the food. That’s really that astounding. Very appetizing.
Katie Robbert – 24:00
I don’t think I’ve seen that one.
Christopher S. Penn – 24:04
I’ll share it in our Slack group of analytics for Marcus, because I think it’s a good example of using. We use it as an explanation for how to use generative AI to analyze out of home advertising. But building, at the very minimum, you must, must have an email list. It’s non negotiable at this point. Yes. X percentage of people in this generation don’t use email. Well guess what? There’s still, unless that number is 100 of people in the generation don’t use email, there is still an audience there that you can reliably reach. You must have a website under your control. So trust insights AI. Katyrobert.com Christopher S.
Christopher S. Penn – 24:44
Penn.com you’ve got to have a home base of stuff that is yours that as long as you pay the bills for hosting is under control or you in the worst possible scenario you have a machine sitting in your basement that serves that. You should have backups for all of your major systems. So self hosted Matomo for example in case Google Analytics just goes away which hey that’s happened mautic as a marketing automation system in case HubSpot just adds a zero to your bill. Having that be available and even things like CRM software, sugar CRM, sweet CRM, there are options. They have a higher barrier to entry. But again in the era of generative AI, you can say I’m trying to install this, how do It?
Christopher S. Penn – 25:33
Your marketing technology stack should have backups and business continuity options for every major layer of the stack if you want to be resilient against wild change. And like you said Katie, wild change is on the way. So this is the time to build and prepare for that.
Katie Robbert – 25:56
The other side of the conversation that perhaps is a part 2 is the amount of trust that people have in these social media platforms has basically gone down to zero. And so they don’t know that what they’re seeing is real. They don’t know if it’s AI generated, they don’t know if it’s bots, they don’t know if it’s spam, they don’t know if it’s lies or whatever the thing is and so even if your social platform of choice sticks around, the amount of information that people are getting on these platforms that they’re seeing, they’re inundated constantly with information and they’re sort of just skimming through, nothing’s eye catching, nothing’s making them stop scrolling, nothing is making them go, you know what, I’ll bet that piece of content there is true.
Katie Robbert – 26:46
If you go on LinkedIn now, you will probably see within about 10 seconds half a dozen people telling you exactly how to use AI the best practices way and they’re all going to be wildly different and so you’re going to say, wow, everybody’s an AI expert. I’m overwhelmed. I’m just going to close this app and go about my day and forget that I saw any of it. So you’re not catching people’s eye on those platforms. You have to build that authority and that trust outside of social media. Then if you still happen to be participating in social media, the Chris, to your point, people will share your stuff because they know you, they trust you. One of the things I saw this morning was somebody tagged you and said, oh, Chris Penn of Trust Insights, his Repel framework can solve this problem.
Katie Robbert – 27:37
You didn’t say, hey, I’m going to solve this problem. Somebody else on your behalf was evangelizing for you saying, here, I saw this thing, I trust this thing. Now I’m going to share this thing with you. You didn’t have to do anything other than build it and get people to trust that you know what you’re talking about. That’s a whole other thing that you did outside of social media.
Christopher S. Penn – 28:00
Yep. In the wild and crazy environment that we are in now, whether it’s climate change, politics, technology, you name it, people trust people. We institutional trust is basically gone to zero. We don’t trust governments, we don’t trust corporations and things like that. We do trust each other, people we know. And so part of your overall strategy in a a post truth, a post factory, post trust environment is how do yourself build trust? And this is for companies because it means things like having an internal influencer program where you encourage your CEO to build her personal brand so that people trust her. Specifically, it is for you personally, as an employee, how do you build a network of trust around you so that as your company throws you overboard for whatever reason, you have a life raft that you can use.
Christopher S. Penn – 29:05
And then as a marketer, how do you identify people who are trusted by their audiences so that if you know that, hey, I’ve got to reach, technology savvy marketers, I guess I need to buy an ad in the almost Timely newsletter or the inbox Insights newsletter. where trust lives. I think it’s kind of funny that our company’s name is Trust Insights or Completely Purposeful. It’s how it’s very serendipitous how much it means now. And so that to kind of put a bow on this is where we are in 2025, where the networks and the platforms that you use have declining amounts of trust, they have declining amounts of stability. You need to build redundancies and backups and secure your audience as best as you can into platforms that you own, like your website, like your podcast feed, like your newsletter.
Christopher S. Penn – 30:11
And then figure out how do I get my audience from the places where audiences are that they may or may not trust into your secured locations by building stuff that people really want.
Katie Robbert – 30:27
I think a future podcast episode should be solely dedicated to how to build trust. I think that it’s an important topic and I think that it’s one of those things that we take for granted. You see on TV shows and movies all the time, Chris, I met you 30 seconds ago and you’re telling me something really important. I’m like, oh my God, what does this mean? And you just say trust me and I’m supposed to trust you after 30 seconds. And that’s obviously not based in reality. Those are, TV shows and movies in the real world. How do you build trust? How do you build that trust between you and your audience? So and so I think that over the next couple weeks we’ll find some time to explore that topic.
Christopher S. Penn – 31:11
And that is a big topic. That’s a big topic. If you have stories about how you weather the great TikTok shutdown of 2025 or more importantly, you want to share stories about how you are building redundancies into your marketing technology or asking for help with it, pop on by our free Slack group, go to trust insights AI analytics for marketers where you and over 4,000 other marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day. And wherever it is you watch or listen to the show, if there’s a channel you’d rather have it on set, go to Trust Insights AI TI Podcast where you can find us in the places that podcasts are served. Thank you for tuning in and we will talk to you next time.
Christopher S. Penn – 31:58
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Christopher S. Penn – 32:51
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Christopher S. Penn – 33:49
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