In-Ear Insights: Deconstructing Generative AI Use Cases

In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss deconstructing generative AI use cases.

You will learn how to cut through the hype and understand how to truly use AI to solve real problems. You’ll discover a practical framework to break down complex AI initiatives into manageable steps. This episode will show you how to avoid common pitfalls and ensure your AI projects deliver measurable results. Watch this episode to gain actionable insights and start making AI work for you today!

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Christopher S. Penn — 00:00

In this week’s In Ear Insights, let’s talk about deconstructing AI use cases. We recently had a lot of conversations. Last week’s live streams, we talked about skills matrices and understanding sort of the people that we have available to us and what their skills are when it comes to everything, but including generative AI. And Katie, you were talking recently with a colleague who gave some real time voice of the customer feedback about AI. Can you walk through what you heard?

Katie Robbert — 00:29

Yeah, absolutely. So a good friend of mine was at a conference and she was sharing with me some of the feedback that people were giving when it comes to implementing AI. And so basically what she was saying was sort of quote, “my boss says that we’re getting Copilot now. What? How do I prove the value of the tool and the value of the work that I do?” And what that says to me is, once again, people are choosing the platforms first and then trying to figure out what to do with it. That’s a reality that we knew was going to happen with a lot of organizations. When I say choosing the platform first, what I’m referring to is the 5P framework—purpose, people, process, platform, performance. The 5P’s were my reaction to digital transformation, which is people, process, technology, platform.

Katie Robbert — 01:26

They could have done better with their alliteration. The challenge with digital transformation, in my personal experience and a lot of people that I’ve talked to, is that it puts the technology, the platform, first and then tries to figure out where people and process fit in. And this is what we’re seeing play out at a lot of organizations is they’re saying, “great, generative AI is going to solve all of our problems. Let’s go ahead and pick a tool. Oh, we’re a Microsoft shop. So let’s get Copilot. Oh, we’re a Google shop. Let’s get Gemini. Oh, OpenAI, ChatGPT is the one I hear the most about. Let’s go get that, give it to our team members, and then watch the magic happen.”

Katie Robbert — 02:06

And the people who are being given the tools, who are being given access to these platforms are basically being given one more thing to do without any kind of a plan. And so, Chris, it’s like, you handing me a newborn child and saying, “okay, good luck, get them to college, make sure it’s Ivy League, probably on a scholarship.” And as someone who doesn’t have kids, I’m like, “ooh, how do I keep them alive for the next 24 hours?” I never had one of those little Tamagotchi things. I don’t know if I can do this with an actual living child. And so it’s a real problem right now. And so what we need to do, our responsibility—

Katie Robbert — 02:54

Chris, what I was trying to chat with you about this week is how do we, as people who talk about getting started with AI, break it down to an even more accessible starting point? And we’re using cooking as the example because it’s a really good way for people to sort of understand where we’re at. And so what’s happening is the executives are saying, “here’s Copilot.” And what they’re saying is, “create a baked Alaska from memory.” And you’re like, “great, I don’t even know which button on my oven turns it on, so can we maybe start there?” And that’s the disconnect is they’re being asked to do these complex things to, make a perfectly cooked filet mignon without,

know, the proper pan or, a thermometer or even having even seen a steak before.

Katie Robbert — 03:51

And the executives are like, “well, it’s not that hard. You just do it. Just cook it, make it, do the thing. I have people that I’m answering to for the bottom line. So why can’t you just do the—do what I’m asking you to? Oh, you can’t. Okay, you’re out. I’m going to go find someone who can and. Or the machines are just going to do it for me. Surprise, surprise.” That’s not working either.

Christopher S. Penn — 04:14

Today, let’s think about how we might decompose or deconstruct a use case. I’m going to bring up a use case that I presented recently at the Tourism Industry Association of Alberta, our Canadian friends. The use case that I showed was, here is how to take the—the, I guess the finished product. If this was a cooking show, I’d be like, pull down the oven, here’s the dish, The dish is from two different Reddit forums, the Alberta Forum and the Canada Travel Forum. Here is the reasons from real people why someone would want to go visit Alberta. The Canadian Rockies, lakes and springs, unique geography, great outdoor activities and stuff. And this is in Google’s Notebook LM. And so it’s relatively straightforward in its final version for a non-technical user to say, “well, what do people say about this?”

Christopher S. Penn — 05:11

What do people say about skiing in Alberta? What do people say about hiking in Alberta? And so this is the use case, the finished product that was on screen. So with the understanding of the five Ps and this example, how would you deconstruct this use case? How would you say, “okay, this is great that it’s on the TV as the cooking show, food channel showing this, but if you wanted to make this at home and not go out to Chris’s AI restaurant, which sounds horrible, how would you advise someone to deconstruct this use case?”

Katie Robbert — 05:52

Oh, it really starts with your purpose, and the question is—and so when we talk about purpose, so let me deconstruct purpose for a second. We talk about what is the problem you’re trying to solve, what is the question you’re trying to answer. That’s your purpose, that’s your goal. The challenge there is finding the right problem to solve. I have laundry that needs to get done and I probably have dishes sitting in my sink and my dog needs a walk and I’m hungry. Those four things are all problems at the moment, but I need to pick the right one to solve. And the answer is likely walking my dog and then feeding myself and then doing the dishes and then doing the laundry.

Katie Robbert — 06:42

It’s a really simple example, really straightforward, kind of goofy, but every organization has—and this is a scientific turn—a shit ton of problems. This is scientific, so you can go ahead and quote me on that. Every organization has a shit ton of problems. You can’t solve every single one, every single moment with one thing, with one tool. The challenge is finding the right problems to solve and that’s where you can use something. Chris, it looks like you’re nudging me towards a user story. A user story is a simple three-part sentence. “As a [Persona], I want to [ ] so that [ ].” Persona being the people, want to being the process and platform, and so that being the purpose and performance.

Katie Robbert — 07:35

In order to start to deconstruct the purpose to get to the right goal, you should start to outline your user stories, such as, as a person visiting Alberta, I want to know the best places to go versus as the marketing manager of the tourism, board of Alberta, I want to highlight places that tourists should go so that those establishments can bring in more revenue. Very similar goals, but very different approaches to them. You want to keep creating these user stories, but really focusing on the “so that” part of the statement, because that’s going to help you understand am I choosing the right goal?

Katie Robbert — 08:24

As the person who runs a restaurant in Alberta, I want to drive awareness to my restaurant so that people come in and buy stuff and I make more money versus as the marketing or as the social media manager, I want to get more likes so that I can look really good to my bosses. One of those—they’re both problems to solve. One of them is the right problem to solve. You really need to dig into your user stories to get to the right purpose. That’s where you need to start.

Christopher S. Penn — 09:00

The user story for this was as a executive director of a Canadian tourism association, I want to know what real people are saying about why they would or would not travel to the different attractions in Alberta so that I can advise our members how to frame their attractions to be maximally appealing to travelers who are in market and overcome the hesitations people might have for visiting here.

Katie Robbert — 09:34

So what were some of the hesitations? Just as an example.

Christopher S. Penn — 09:38

So for example, Jasper, which is a beautiful natural park, has had—had an enormous amount of damage from wildfires back in 2023 and has not fully rebuilt yet. So there’s—there are logistical issues even traveling to—to that. To, some of the places that were impacted in that particular part. Banff is cited as being occasionally crowded, especially during peak summertime and fairly expensive air travel is a major issue. To get to certain parts of Alberta requires extensive amounts of travel. So when I traveled to Edmonton for the event, I had to first fly into Ottawa from Boston and then fly to Edmonton. There were no direct flights. There are direct flights to Calgary, but that’s southern Alberta.

Christopher S. Penn — 10:22

And so the province as a whole, it’s a big old province, has these different challenges that even though there’s amazing things to see there, sometimes getting there can be challenging. But the use case that I put together as a speaker was to say, here’s how this tool/data can let you ask as many questions of the customer as you want. And with the real words of real people, you can get that feedback without having to read through 8 million words of your own.

Katie Robbert — 11:01

Here’s the challenge I see with that as if I were the end user, if I was the person you were giving this to, I’m like, “this is great, but you are going to go back to your office and I still have to figure out how to put this together.” And so I think that’s really, when we started the conversation. The disconnect is people are being given tools. So for all intents and purposes, this is a tool. People are being given tools and being told, “use this. Make magic happen. Solve my problems.” Had you, Chris, not created this tool, what were they going to do?

Christopher S. Penn — 11:39

They would have to—they will have to rely on what they do now, which is to the extent they can using in-market surveys, getting ad hoc feedback from people, anecdotes and things and trying to sort of patch together with the data sources they currently have—hiring very expensive research firms to go out and do studies and focus groups that have, very large five-figure budgets to do the same type of research but not in real time. They, they can only afford to do it once a year and obviously conditions change as we’ve noted recently. So that’s what they were that currently doing.

Christopher S. Penn — 12:22

So the part and parcel of the user story would also be or the five Ps more correctly would be in the performance to be able to do this and spend less money, substantially less money on infrequent market research while still getting those qualitative insights.

Katie Robbert — 12:43

But I’m the CEO and I’m telling them they have to use AI. That’s the disconnect is they’re not being given instructions on how to do this particular thing, how to make it more efficient, more real time. They’re just being told to do it. And that’s the problem that you and I are trying to solve is what can we do as subject matter experts to give people the confidence and the resources to do something like this? That’s the question I’m asking you. I know they’re doing manual research today. Had you not been in the room and if I were the CEO and I said you have to use AI to do this, how do they get started? That’s the question we’re trying to answer.

Christopher S. Penn — 13:33

I think you’re hitting on something really important here because there’s this weird binary spectrum. There’s either done for you like, “hey, we’re higher Trust Insights and we’ll handle everything for you and you just enjoy the outputs” which by the way we do. You can visit us at TrustInsights.AI/contact if you’d that. Or here’s a recipe, go forage all the ingredients, grow the wheat yourself stuff and eventually you’ll end up with the thing. I think the analogy, if we’re to extend the cooking thing to a illogical extreme would be sort of that middle ground of the meal kit. you order the meal kit and there’s a bunch of stuff that’s been pre-processed and you get the final ingredients and you get to put it together and heat it up and there is some cooking but not a lot.

Christopher S. Penn — 14:27

So in the example of this piece of this tool, the biggest part of the meal kit that is the hardest for everybody is on the left-hand side here you have to extract the data out of Reddit via its API with a Python script and then sequence it, clean it and prepare and split it and load it into this tool with this event. What I did was, as part of my talk, I just gave

them these files. The instructions were just put the files in the ad source box. That’s all you need to do. So kind of like a meal kit where—yeah, at the warehouse, somebody else made all the packaged dishes. You just got to put the dishes, little trays in the oven.

Katie Robbert — 15:15

Are you saying that in the meal kit would be instructions on extracting the data or on putting this together?

Christopher S. Penn — 15:23

It would be both. It would be, here is the stuff and then here’s a recipe like, ask it this, ask it this. Once you’ve put the trays in the device, ask it this.

Katie Robbert — 15:39

The process that you described for extracting the data is what gives me pause. Extracting Reddit data via the API and a Python script, that’s where I have to do the hard stop.

Christopher S. Penn — 15:53

Yeah, that’s a deal killer.

Katie Robbert — 15:54

That’s a deal killer. And that’s the—again, that’s the challenge. And I’m not trying to be combative because I understand that this is, a really good, efficient process. But if you said to me, “hey, Katie, it’s going to be really simple, I’m going to give you a recipe to extract data via an API in a Python script,” I would be like, “I’m out. I’m not going to do it.” Because those aren’t skills that I have.

Christopher S. Penn — 16:21

No, no. What I gave them was the finished files. I would in no way suggest that they would ever try to do that on their own. Because to your point, you would be like, “no, you’re going to do this, Chris.”

Katie Robbert — 16:34

Or I would be like, what? Instead of me trying to figure out how to run a Python code, let me just go ahead and copy and paste as much as I can manually and hope that the time equals out. But then I’m going to burn myself out because it’s not a sustainable process. And that’s where companies are getting into trouble, because the expectations they’re putting on workers to use these tools without the proper skills, which we covered the skills matrix last week, without the proper skills, is leading to that burnout, is leading to that insecurity, is leading to that

turnover, is leading to companies not meeting their goals.

Christopher S. Penn — 17:19

Right, so how, going back to your question earlier, which I think is a very good question, how does a company, like, Trust Insights help people do this more. We kind of, if I think about this carefully, we kind of have to be the meal kit provider of all this. Like so that you get the meal kit, here’s your files. All you got to do is put them in notebooklm and start asking your questions. The hard work, the Python scripts, extraction, the cleaning is done for you. You just get the box drops off at your doorstep every Monday morning and you get the thing. We actually have a client that hired us to do that this year for them.

Christopher S. Penn — 17:57

So they said we’re gonna do the extraction from Reddit and YouTube of all this stuff and then process it and then quarterly the meal kit arrives on their doorstep with everything pre-processed for them. They all they have to do is activate it.

Katie Robbert — 18:13

I’m a big fan of asking people to hire us to do the thing. The barrier I see is number one, if they don’t have the authority so they have to first convince the executives that they should bring on a third party. And the executive is saying, “no, we just bought this expensive tool. Figure it out.” The other barrier, even if they can hire us, is figuring out where the heck to start, what problems do they want to solve. And that again, it goes back to the 5P framework and making sure you’re really clear on the problems you’re trying to solve and or the goals that you have for the business. And listen, I don’t care what the technology is. If you don’t have clear business goals, none of the rest of this doesn’t matter. And that’s the thing.

Katie Robbert — 19:01

So if your business goal is we want to make more money, we want to outpace the competitor, you need to define it even more discreetly than that because that is not good enough. So when we talk about deconstructing use cases and where do people start? That is where you start. Because AI may not be the solution. You may find that there’s other things as you work through the rest of the P’s in the framework that are actually causing you to not reach your goals, to not make those KPIs versus “I’m just going to throw AI on top of it and it’s going to make things more efficient.” That’s not true.

Christopher S. Penn — 19:40

I had a discussion yesterday with someone about that. They were trying to solve a very non-AI problem with AI and I’m like, “this is not going to work. It’s just going to frustrate you and it’s going to—” And the company, they had enough—they were talking to another AI company was saying, “yes, they could do this with AI.” And I’m like, “you can’t. That’s not what it’s meant for.” You can use AI to write the Python script to process the data and visualize it the way you want, but there is no AI tool on earth right now that will, that would handle the data set that they had and create the outcome that they wanted.

Christopher S. Penn — 20:17

So one of the challenges then is when people see, either in our talks or in, all of the things, they see all

these use cases and they see all these finished dishes going by like, on the gold style diner with the little carousel, like, “oh, I want that and I want that.” And all the executives say, “yeah, I want that and I want that.” What is the, what does the average non-technical person do to say, “okay, well my CEO says, I want that dish?” So not just AI in general, but I want that dish right there. I want that use case brought to life. What do they do next?

Katie Robbert — 20:54

I think instead of deconstructing the, the use case or the problem, in that scenario, you have to deconstruct the dish. And so in that case you work backwards from performance because theoretically, like, we’re talking about, dishes and food and cooking, but if we’re talking about business, we’re talking about revenue and efficiencies and, outpacing your competition and, growing things. So it’s working your way—instead of starting with purpose, you start with performance and then you start to work your way backwards. And in this case, I will, I usually really encourage people to start with people. I would go performance, platform, then process, then people, then purpose, because they already know what they think they want.

Katie Robbert — 21:43

So rather than chasing a solution in search of a problem, really deconstruct it and say, “okay, they want 10x more customers than their competitor down the street.” And it’s like deconstructing anything. Okay, what does that look like? What customers do your competitors have? Do we know our ICP? Do we know our ideal customer profile well enough that we can go after those kinds of customers? Do we know what tools we’re using to reach those customers? Do we know what processes we’re employing so that we can use the platforms to then reach that performance? Who’s actually driving the bus? And then where does it fit within our goal? So you’re still using the 5P framework, you’re just using it in reverse order to deconstruct things.

Christopher S. Penn — 22:37

I love that. And that matches up very well. With one of the use cases I showed which was this is WestJet, the company and their landing page for the city of Edmonton. And I said, “okay, let’s use for this.” So this is the use case. Let’s use your ICP because the—the Travel Alberta actually has ICPs, really well done ones to evaluate this page and say how well does it align with your hotspot hunter ICP and then rewrite the page. The purpose and the performance is pretty clear. We need more people to book flights to Edmonton from this page. So that’s both purpose and performance. And the performance is basically anyone booking flights to Edmonton. And then of course, translate it to all the different languages for the target markets because this ICP exists in multiple markets.

Christopher S. Penn — 23:30

So in that case then we have performance pretty well down. And so you’re saying next we—and we have the ICPs, which would be the people part, at least on the side of who we’re trying to appeal to. So next we go to the process of the platform.

Katie Robbert — 23:49

I mean, in this case I would say go with the platform because you’re not adding net new. You want to know what you’re using first. You want to know the tools and then you want to know how you’re using them. Because in the instance where you’re starting with a business goal and trying to figure out a solution, you start with the process so that you can choose the correct platform. In the instance where you have a solution in search of a problem, you want

to take stock of everything you already have and then figure out how you’re using it so you don’t skip over, “oh, but we actually have Salesforce Enterprise. Oops, we forgot to factor that into the whole thing.” I think about it and I think about it like algebra.

Katie Robbert — 24:37

As much as a lot of us hated algebra, were given variables, were given half the equation and were given variables and we had to solve for X. That’s really what we’re talking about here is there’s a lot of knowns, we know what platforms we already have, we know what we want our performance to be. So let’s work our way backwards like in an algebra problem and deconstruct it until we get to X. I love—

Christopher S. Penn — 25:06

That because it’s absolutely right. In this case, if I step back into food analogies, we know what the cooked dish should look like, we know what ingredients we have, we know what’s in our kitchen. But so all is really missing is for the person is the recipe. How do I use the blender and these ingredients to make to come out with this tomato soup and stuff. In this case, in the example shown, the part that I didn’t show because there isn’t time, and that wasn’t the point, was the prompt sequence. Here’s how you use—in this case, I use Google’s Gemini Flash thinking to take the ICP that already existed and the homepage that already existed and turn it into something like this. As we think about deconstructing use cases, in some ways it does feel like an enhanced recipes card.

Christopher S. Penn — 25:57

Like, here’s what the dish—here’s why you’re cooking the dish and where it fits in your menu. Here’s what the dish should look like when you’re done, the performance. And then here’s who you need, the tools, the ingredients, and then the process. Here’s how you get that. And if you have that, instead of just showing the end product as the use case might be an expanded version of the 5ps that steps someone through—here’s all you’re going to need to do to bring this thing to life.

Katie Robbert — 26:27

And that’s not an AI solution. That’s just critical thinking. And I think that’s where people are getting hung up, is, “well, I’ve been given AI, so I have to use it.” It’s like, “okay, let’s just put that aside for now. We’ll get there. But first, let’s get you set up with all of the different pieces you need. Let’s make sure you have all the ingredients, let’s make sure you have all the things.” And that it feels like we don’t have time to do it because there’s so much pressure on us to make our numbers and meet our budgets and cut the waste and find efficiencies. I get that we’re under that kind of pressure as well, even as a small business. But you have to make the time. You have to make the time to do this kind of evaluation.

Katie Robbert — 27:13

Especially if the C-Suite is saying, “here’s a tool, make magic happen. Okay, what does that mean?” Rather than just pushing buttons and crossing your fingers and hoping for the best, take the time. And that’s why, personally, I’m totally biased. I really like the 5P framework because it walks you through those steps. It gives you all of the different pieces that you can at least start thinking about it in a very quick and efficient way to be like, “okay, what do I know? What don’t I know? I know three of the five P’s, all right? I have to search out the other two. Or I only know one of the P’s. Here’s all of the other pieces I need to gather. Let me start there. Or I know nothing. Let me start

with purpose. And what the heck is the goal?”

Christopher S. Penn — 27:57

Yep. No, I love that because I’m also using this to think about even our own stuff. For example, we just released our prompt engineering course and our next one is going to be on use cases. And I was thinking it can’t just be a gallery of cooked dishes. No one—I mean, yeah, people would love to see it. That’s why you watch Food, Food Network and stuff like that, because you’re like, you want to see that. But if we’re to be useful to people, they need as much of the five Ps in each use case as possible to say, here’s why you would cook this dish, here’s what it’ll look like when it’s done. Here’s who needs to be involved and there may be multiple people. Here’s the platform you use, and here’s the—

Christopher S. Penn — 28:39

The recipe for the directions for how to bring the use case to life. And I think if people had that, they would find more value in it. Like, “okay, I know I need to get this data, I need to clean this data and I need to load this data notebook lm, and then I can ask it questions.”

Katie Robbert — 28:58

And I think taking that a step further, which is something we’ll need to figure out, is where is it acceptable to make substitutions? So let’s say, I’m looking at a chicken broccoli dish, but I either don’t like broccoli or don’t have broccoli. What can I use instead that’s going to give me reasonable enough results that I can feel like I still did the thing and I still got a good meal out of it. Or I’m a vegetarian. Why I’m looking at chicken dishes. that’s something I’ll have to think about later. But what can I use instead of chicken? It’s—and I think when—to answer the question of how can you and I as subject matter experts, make it more approachable to get started? We have to factor those people, those pieces of the framework in.

Katie Robbert — 29:51

So, with the purpose, you’re not looking to make substitutions. It’s with the people process and platform that you would think about. Where can I sub in? Okay, I’m not using Claude, but I am using Gemini. Can I get similar results, for example, or I Don’t have a data scientist, but I do have a really good marketing analyst. What can we do with that? Or we don’t have an automated way, an automated process of gathering our data, but we can do it manually and we know, we feel really confident with it. We, what does that look like? And so making sure we’re factoring in those substitutions, I think for a lot.

Christopher S. Penn — 30:36

Of the use cases, that last one’s going to be the one that trips people up the most is all these tools require data. They’re not magic, they’re not, they’re not magic wands. They are data processors. And if you have no data to put into the tool, then you’re obviously not going to get much in the way of an outcome. And so I think part of our remit is also figuring out how, if at all do we become the meal kit provider to say, “okay, we know you want to do this and we agree, we think it’s a good idea for you to do this. Here’s some pre-made, nutrient meal packs so that you can show your boss, yeah, here’s the quick win that you were asking about.”

Christopher S. Penn — 31:22

But we had to use a meal kit provider to get there because we don’t have the ability to grow our own wheat yet and thresh it and mill it and stuff like, “no, I’m just gonna buy a bag of flour.”

Katie Robbert — 31:32

And I think some of that includes pre-pulled data. Even if it’s not their data, pre-pulled data that they can at least show if and when we have our data, this is what it’s going to look like. Because that’s half the battle is getting through it the first time to prove that something’s actually working. So if we can give them even a set of testing data to work with, they can at least go through the motion like, “okay, now I have a feel for it. Before I put my data into it. Let me go ahead and use this test scenario, this, test data set to show any kind of results and that I’m getting the results that I was told I was going to get.”

Christopher S. Penn — 32:17

I think, now that you mention it, I think there’s a, there’s, there is a whole cottage industry there because part of the process is also that validation. Say you’re scraping Reddit data, you probably want to do some filtering for data quality so that you’re not getting every, just all the people yelling at each other and insulting each other. That’s not going to help you solve your problem. And so there might be a an AI meal kit service of here’s pre-cleaned prepared data that you can use in this industry or that industry for marketing or for sales or for finance, that will get you started.

Katie Robbert — 32:59

I think that makes sense because that’s the part that people stumble on a lot. Especially when, I mean, we’ve run into this with our clients. They’re like, “I want to do the thing.” We’re like, “great, we need to look at your data first.” And then we find out that the quality of the data is non-existent or half the data that they thought they had was unusable and we have to kind of stop them right there. And so that problem still needs to be solved. But in the meantime they need to start setting things up and demonstrating any kind of success anywhere. So if they had the testing data to then bring to the decision maker and say this is what’s possible now we need to focus on getting our own house in order. Let’s go ahead and do that.

Katie Robbert — 33:42

That’s going to be an easier conversation because there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

Christopher S. Penn — 33:47

It almost sounds like we should be using ICPS to filter our data.

Katie Robbert — 33:52

That’s a novel idea.

Christopher S. Penn — 33:57

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Christopher S. Penn — 34:40

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Christopher S. Penn — 35:43

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Christopher S. Penn — 36:25

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